What kind of world do we want?

A conversation with author Patty Krawec

B. Lorraine Smith
33 min readDec 16, 2022


Cover of Becoming Kin by Patty Krawec, a remarkably accessible book that ties our history with our future. A candid yet compelling clarion call.

I had the great pleasure of speaking with author Patty Krawec about how she came to accidentally write one of the most important books of our time, Becoming Kin — An Indigenous Call to Unforgetting the Past and Reimagining Our Future.

From serendipitously listening to conversations about race, to what that listening means for people and industry in the future—this was an eye-opening, ear-opening, mind-opening chat.

You’re welcome to have a listen.

Video recording:

Audio recording:

Written transcript (lightly edited for clarity):

Lorraine Smith: Patty Krawec, thank you so much for joining me on this afternoon. It’s kind of cloudy where both of us are. As you are my witness, I’ve been gently following you around the interwebs for some time. So I’m super excited that we’re here for this conversation. Thanks for joining me.

Patty Krawec: Well, thank you so much for inviting me — I love having these conversations!

LS: Cool, well let’s jump in. As you know, I first found you through your podcast. I was thinking it’d be great if you could just tell us a little bit about who you are, what you do, and how you come to be doing all that you’re doing.

PK: So I have a background in social work. I’m a wife. I’m a mom. I’m a grandma. I spent 16 years in child welfare which is a whole other story that we could talk about. It was through that work that I met Kerry.

I was at a conference and they had invited us — or challenged us I should say — to talk with our clients about race. This was an academic conference so it was a really wide range. It…



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B. Lorraine Smith

Recovering ESG "expert"; yarn spinner; distance runner; magical realist. Sensing a path to an economy serving life. also at https://blorrainesmith.substack.com/